{"id":1783,"date":"2023-01-26T14:10:50","date_gmt":"2023-01-26T14:10:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/?p=1783"},"modified":"2024-09-15T15:13:53","modified_gmt":"2024-09-15T15:13:53","slug":"so-just-how-fast-is-the-fastest-ever-recorded-racquetball-hit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/2023\/01\/26\/so-just-how-fast-is-the-fastest-ever-recorded-racquetball-hit\/","title":{"rendered":"So, just how fast is the &#8220;Fastest Ever Recorded Racquetball hit?&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"248\" height=\"338\" src=\"http:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Inoue-Egan.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1784\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Inoue-Egan.jpg 248w, https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Inoue-Egan-220x300.jpg 220w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 248px) 100vw, 248px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Did Inoue really hit a ball 191mph?  Photo unk<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n<p>(Editor&#8217;s note: I published this piece in January 2023, based on a lot of data I have collected over the past decade.  More documentation and more information came to light from crowdsourcing in the wake of this, and I&#8217;ve post-publishing corrected\/edited some of the text.  At some point I&#8217;ll just have to rewrite this entirely based on new findings).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A post in KRG came up recently that featured the venerable former pro @Egan Inoue , along with the familiar claim that he owns the title of &#8216;fastest ever recorded racquetball hit&#8221; at 191mph.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Except &#8230; the &#8220;proof&#8221; of that claim is basically word-of-mouth lore that has persisted over the years, without anyone providing a place where said MPH was measured or who actually measured it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Over the years, as I&#8217;ve done thousands of hours of research in our sport, reviewed old magazines for results. As i&#8217;ve done this, I&#8217;ve kept a collection of MPH claims and competitions, and I figured this was as good of a time as any to put these down in a post for reaction in one place.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I&#8217;m going to order these claims in order of &#8220;highest MPH claimed&#8221; down to lowest, and for each claim I&#8217;ll list the source and the validity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8212;&#8211;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>210mph Backhand by Sudsy Monchik <\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source of claim: hyperbole in a Head advertisement.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>likelihood of truth:  doutbful.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: Sudsy has some verified readings further down, which are 25% lower than a 210mph backhand claim. He had a great backhand, no doubt. 210? no.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>200mph serve by Scott Reiff at a pro stop in Atlanta in the early 1990s.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source of claim: unknown<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>likelihood of truth: doubtful.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: Reiff is known as a power hitter from back in the day, but is not really in the same class as the other players listed here.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/2301727263400648\/user\/100063527954643\/?__cft__[0]=AZUY_tX1jzikl4SznOmtlUroknrdStarRqe-epoXi8dswAzaociO_bWx3abMeMwoh5bu9B9tt-9F_EasN6w-vRnmNnHiChYvyOVxyMTgpTIvd2nOh5M1WWWk6kxevpPq311bEjoYNAGRG6CqHTHHOejV&amp;__tn__=-]K-R\">Cliff Swain<\/a> in the 191-192 range on his serve<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source of claim: internet lore and a direct quote from Cliff<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Likelihood of truth: possible<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: I asked Cliff directly and his quote is as follows: &#8220;Todd Boss, I saw 192 immediately after hitting a ball at the gun. I don\u2019t believe 100% in the reliability of these guns either. Also it was at my home club so there\u2019s another asterisk but there were many witnesses at this IRT event. &#8220;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Egan Inoue: 191mph<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source of claim: this is oft-repeated claim of fastest ever recorded speed is essentially internet lore<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Likelihood of truth: doubtful<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: Even though this is the number that most people repeat, I have my doubts. We all just saw the link to the Inoue-Doyle 1990 final, where the two players were playing with probably 20&#8243; racquets and, well, anyone who&#8217;s seen modern racquetball could see that their serves were nowhere near as fast as what we see today.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Brian Baker; 190<\/strong> <strong>mph<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source of claim: Baker himself in a discussion in 2013 on the old 40&#215;20 forum.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Likelihood of truth: pretty likely, based on conversations.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: Baker was pinged on the 40&#215;20 2013 discussion and chimed in with what seemed like credible details. I talked with him personally in Sept 2024 to get some more details: He was at a pro stop in San Jose on a gun and was measured at 190. He also played with Fredenberg a lot in the Dallas area and both believe that Baker is a tick ahead of Fredenberg.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>A copy of the discussion is here. Still isn&#8217;t really &#8220;proof&#8221; in as much as we have eyewitnesses or an official event, but this is more believable than the records above it to me right now.  <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/...\/is-racquetball-really-the...\/\">https:\/\/web.archive.org\/&#8230;\/is-racquetball-really-the&#8230;\/<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Brian Fredenberg: 186 at 2001 US Open<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source of Claim: newspaper reporting from the event<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: pretty reliable<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: See below for more verified claims about Fredenberg.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Here&#8217;s a video of Fredenberg playing; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Fpib1MNlFyA\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Fpib1MNlFyA<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>180mph: Egan Inoue<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: internet group<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: low.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: An author in a thread claims to have &#8220;seen&#8221; a gun register 180 but no higher. Not from Egan himself so a non 1st party claim.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/groups.google.com\/...\/c\/qwXzO_5PU6I\/m\/4NKd5EqLAwAJ\">https:\/\/groups.google.com\/&#8230;\/c\/qwXzO_5PU6I\/m\/4NKd5EqLAwAJ<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sudsy Monchik: forehand &#8220;more than 180mph&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: SI article 1999,  per 5\/31\/99 Sports Illustrated article<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.si.com\/...\/man-wielding-a-dangerous-weapon...\">https:\/\/www.si.com\/&#8230;\/man-wielding-a-dangerous-weapon&#8230;<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: weak (despite being claimed in SI, there&#8217;s not a source given)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: the way the article is written, it seems like this is more lore than fact.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Cliff Swain: Head Racquetball advertisement claims his serve in the 180+ range<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: <a href=\"https:\/\/l.facebook.com\/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fforum%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3EGtJUohl-mUQ4ail-esZludsCJuiBkRw3n-PHiDwLT-G-lHEaaOK1BGo%23!topic%2Falt.sport.racquetball%2FqwXzO_5PU6I&amp;h=AT1zRle1IiotgWiKQ00LKl2sTGisKYDOzb9Om0z0LvnEoaVcnERGla23oJRUIlGi8p7KPJVllFaPv9MgiUFiXJUPB9RYC8-m0NAzelGsWa_jUPQ4SgmmNmPofHmFWRChYmWTzB4ZqkPaWmZH3Q&amp;__tn__=-UK-R&amp;c[0]=AT3PsI2HHa-SPjLeUPKa6vcaEB3C1Npq8rg04PDWMm-BQrTA4trSWOdazWAHDdXPxCp8O25cIzrMQpaJWpX_3GfpWcw6eAoG7H2YR7XxBdcuNmQhE24NReW6xUNrSV1UDKJtjkXEMq6wHgGekcs7GwX8pPTO3wpm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/groups.google.com\/forum\/&#8230;<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: Likely, if Swain  himself saw higher readings.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: lots of &#8220;i heard he hit&#8230;&#8221; with the guys from the mid 1990s, which is weird because it&#8217;s not like radar guns didn&#8217;t exist at that time.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>John Ellis: 183mph<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: claim made on FB post Jan 2023<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Quote Ellis himself: &#8220;I saw a speed gun clock on my serve in Houston in about 1993 or 1994 that read 183mph. However, there\u2019s no proof that it happened and I don\u2019t know if I believe the speed gun anyway. But they did show me the speed gun right after the serve, and back then I hit the absolute shit out of the ball!&#8221;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: based on Ellis&#8217; play and the other speeds, here, highly likely.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jeff Conine: 182 at an exhibition in Missouri<\/strong>?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: a direct claim made here: <a href=\"https:\/\/l.facebook.com\/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fforum%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0v4hW7otNtXHm066mBhLgaji5Q9mLr26Zam-RGD4IK7tPf55LtIq8f6Tw%23!topic%2Falt.sport.racquetball%2FqwXzO_5PU6I&amp;h=AT1zRle1IiotgWiKQ00LKl2sTGisKYDOzb9Om0z0LvnEoaVcnERGla23oJRUIlGi8p7KPJVllFaPv9MgiUFiXJUPB9RYC8-m0NAzelGsWa_jUPQ4SgmmNmPofHmFWRChYmWTzB4ZqkPaWmZH3Q&amp;__tn__=-UK-R&amp;c[0]=AT3PsI2HHa-SPjLeUPKa6vcaEB3C1Npq8rg04PDWMm-BQrTA4trSWOdazWAHDdXPxCp8O25cIzrMQpaJWpX_3GfpWcw6eAoG7H2YR7XxBdcuNmQhE24NReW6xUNrSV1UDKJtjkXEMq6wHgGekcs7GwX8pPTO3wpm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/groups.google.com\/forum\/&#8230;<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: weak<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: this is significantly higher than a verified, published reading noted further below. seems unreliable.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>2003 US Open Speed gun: Fredenberg at 181<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Brian Fredeberg: 181<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Brent Walters 178<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Mitch Williams 175<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Kane Waselenchuk 175<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Source: Brent Walters, who participated in the contest at the 2003 US Open.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Egan Inoue: during exhibition 170-175 range, 179 in Houston at Nationals in late 1980s<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: unknown<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: we&#8217;re closer to what I think is reasonable for Inoue.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Fredenberg: 171 at the 2002 US Open<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: 2002 US Open had a gun on players for $1000 (Eddie Meredith running it). Each got 5 hits and here&#8217;s how it went:<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Fredenberg 171<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Walters 170<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Mitch 168<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Kane 164<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: solid<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: These numbers seem light, especially based on the same group of players hitting in 2003.  This is from a published competition run by a trusted source. Fredenberg came in on top, followed by two known big-hitters in Walters and Mitch. Kane a tick below, which, if you&#8217;ve seen both Mitch and Kane on the court at the same time isn&#8217;t out of the realm of possible.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Jeff Conine: serve once clocked at 162mph<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: Racquetball magazine feature Sept\/Oct 1993<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: solid<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: this seems more in line with what he could do, as opposed to claims of 180+ made above.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Mitch Williams: 160-162 at Arlington regionals event<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Source: personally verified by me, Todd Boss.  As in, I  was holding the radar gun.; hardest ever seen on a radar gun. I measured him myself. (I hit it 133 in the same competition as a point of comparison, a decent figure for a low-open player, but well below the 140-range we generally see pros hit today at a minimum, or the 150 range we generally see harder hitters.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Reliability: 100%<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Notes: Mitch was by far and away the crispest, hardest hitter on the east coast during the 2000s. I measured plenty of other hard hitters who were in the low 150s and he was a clear step ahead.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Spalding Power-Serve contest<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>source: Nov\/Dec 1995 Racquetball magazine<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. Sudsy Monchik: 164mph<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. John Ellis: 161mph<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3. Tim Doyle: 157mph<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>4. Andy Roberts: 156mph<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>5. Cliff Swain: 153mph<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>6. Luis Vogel: 145mph<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>6. Woody Clouse: 145mph<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>8. Tony Jelso: 142mph<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Notes: perhaps the best source of comparison for players in the mid 1990s. This was a verified sponsored competition with published results in Racquetball Magazine. 22&#8243; racquets were available by 1995 (the current 22&#8243; max length rule was adopted officially by USAR in 1996 and remains the rule today).  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Reliability: Seems pretty accurate &#8230; but why are these figures 20mph lower than the top figures that the likes of Sudsy and Ellis have above?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Conclusions?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, we seem to have plenty of evidence of mid 180s from a handful of guys from the mid 1990s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I have two main issues here:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Why are the verified published results from the Spalding study in 1995 20mph lower than the top figures for these players?  <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>I just have to ask: where are the modern players?  All these 180 readings are from 25 years ago.  Athletes and equipment only progresses &#8230; why why havn&#8217;t we seen someone who can broach these figures in the modern game?  Why aren&#8217;t we seeing the power hitters of today (Montoya, Moscoso, Jake, Garay, etc) with these kinds of figures?  That&#8217;s the only thing about all these stories I have a hard time with.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/2301727263400648\/post_insights\/3284204151819616\/?__cft__[0]=AZUY_tX1jzikl4SznOmtlUroknrdStarRqe-epoXi8dswAzaociO_bWx3abMeMwoh5bu9B9tt-9F_EasN6w-vRnmNnHiChYvyOVxyMTgpTIvd2nOh5M1WWWk6kxevpPq311bEjoYNAGRG6CqHTHHOejV&amp;__tn__=*W-R\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Editor&#8217;s note: I published this piece in January 2023, based on a lot of data I have collected over the past decade. More documentation and more information came to light from crowdsourcing in the wake of this, and I&#8217;ve post-publishing corrected\/edited some of the text. At some point I&#8217;ll just have to rewrite this entirely &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/2023\/01\/26\/so-just-how-fast-is-the-fastest-ever-recorded-racquetball-hit\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;So, just how fast is the &#8220;Fastest Ever Recorded Racquetball hit?&#8221;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1783","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-prs-admin"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1783","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1783"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1783\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2150,"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1783\/revisions\/2150"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1783"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1783"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.proracquetballstats.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1783"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}