Hello fans. My good friend Sudsy Monchik and I talk racquetball all the time. Maybe not as much lately, but we frequently catch up on important events, the state of the sport, pro tours, USAR, etc etc.
Sudsy suggested, hey, why don’t we frigging tape these conversations? We’re often talking about topics that cut to the heart of where our sport is right now, and we try to mix in stats and opinion from one of the most decorated and involved names in the sport. So lets see if you guys like to listen in to the kinds of stuff we talk about on the regular.
So, here’s the first cut.
You can listen in (the first one was a zoom audio, though we could try saving video for subsequent ones) here:
For those of you want to read instead of watch, here’s a transcript (lightly edited for clarity).
Sudsy & Todd discussion –
International Youth movement in Racquetball at the IRT Shamrock Shootout
⏰Tue, 03/18 13:00PM · 24mins
Transcript
Todd Boss
All right, you ready?
Sudsy Monchik
Ready.
Todd Boss
Sudsy, how are you doing?
Sudsy Monchik
Doing good, doing good, Todd. Driving to my real job.
Todd Boss
Yeah, I’m on lunch break for my real job. So this works out for both of us.
Sudsy Monchik
But we both love racquetball so much that we can’t help it
Todd Boss
That’s right. So here’s the context of today’s conversation.
Are we seeing the next generation of pros, and does it matter based on the state of our sport?
For some Background, when I did the recap of last weekend’s Shamrock Shootout, I noted that a ton of U21 or junior world champions were in Chicago competing. Just to run through them really quickly:
– We had reigning U21 champion Joel Alexis Acha
– You had the world U21 semifinalist Trujillo and Barrios.
– You had the USA U21 champion Benjamin Horner.
– You had the reigning U18 champ and Jonathan Flores, who made a huge impact. We’re going to talk about him in a sec.
– You also had the likes of Sendrey, Mendoza and Herrera Jr., who are top junior national players in the U.S.
– You had top Mexicans like Gastelum here
– And, you had a couple of a little bit older recent Junior World champions, former Bolivians now turned Argentinians, Miranda and Garcia.
Well, that’s a lot of U21 players, and many are starting to get real results on tour.
So the question I have for you, Sudsy is this: Is this the next generation of talent on tour?
Sudsy Monchik
I think clearly you just named a bunch of really talented players, but the thing that jumps out at me is that you didn’t name nearly as many Americans. It’s clear that the level of play of these South American and Mexican Central Americans is so much greater right now than what we have to offer, and that’s that’s something that really bugs me. You know that that hurts my soul, but it is what it is.
When you say next generation, I think that’s connected to the age, right? You said 21 but historically we’ve seen that at like 18 and 19 years old, right?
Sudsy Monchik
When players get into their 20s it’s kind of like, ‘well we’re not really seeing much different now,’ so like I’m looking at who’s 17,18,19 and who is out there, traveling to play tournaments. You have to be playing events and you can’t do it in your hometown, home city, or home country.
The first thing I did when I got to Ecuador; I said, ‘let me see the budget you guys have to get out of here and play internationally.’ You have to get out, you have to play other players, you have to deal with other game styles, and you have to experience adversity and uncomfortableness.
There’s no doubt it’s the “next generation” but how would you define “next generation?”
Todd Boss
Well, if you look at the players who have been ranked in the top 10 as of late,
I’ll just run through them quickly. At the end of last season:
– Kane was 43
– Conrado was 29
– Adam Manilla 29
– Sam Murray’s 31
– Rodrigo 28
– Andres Acuna 29
– Jake’s 33
– Natara is 29
– Martel is 32
– Thomas Carter is 28.
These are the players that you see day in and day out reaching the quarters and semis. Where are the young guns?
Even someone who we think is kind of young is Eduardo Portillo, he was 25 at the end of last season and he’s already turned 26. You know, these are not the young kids. These are not 22 year olds flowing through. So the tour has been dominated by players in that are kind of getting old.
That’s what I thought was notable about the total volume of young players in Chicago.
Sudsy Monchik
Yeah, it was great. I would counsel the young guys to take advantage of it while they can now, because those older guys and players need to really start considering how they are going to parlay their racquetball career into what’s next, right? Like, is it sustainable for a 33 year old to continue to travel around trying to be a professional racquetball player?
I think it’s turning into a young man’s game. Now that seems a little opposite of what you just said, right? I think that the younger generation certainly need to focus and kind of maximize the time they have now because it goes fast. It doesn’t last a long time.
I think the bigger question is, when do you really start seeing those guys you just mentioned, the mid twenties and up, say, it’s time for me to look at what’s next.
Todd Boss
I think you already see it. We know Montoya has an engineering degree. Same with Javier Mar. They’ve been top players for a while, but full-time.
Sudsy Monchik
But there’s not enough stops right now for them to “tour full time.”
If the IRT is successful the first thing they’re gonna do is release like double digit tour stops If we see that happen then that’s a great start especially for the younger generation but when you say “they don’t tour” I mean how many stops were there last year?
Todd Boss
That’s a good point. There were only six stops last year.
Sudsy Monchik
Yeah, I mean, Mark Frank and I, we played more local events.
Todd Boss
No, it’s a good point. Pivoting a little bit, almost every one of these top U21 players we mentioned is from South America. So for them to get to the United States is tough. You lived in Ecuador so you tell me, how long of a flight is it from Buenos Aires or from in or from the middle of Bolivia to get up here so they can even compete?
Sudsy Monchik
Yeah, it’s a full day, it’s a full day of travel. You said Argentina; just to get to Miami and then from Miami go wherever, that’s eight or nine hours. From Bolivia, same thing, seven or eight hours. Not to mention, depending on the city you’re from within that South American country, you might have to make a connection. It’s a full day of travel.
I did it from Ecuador for seven years. And we were actually a lot closer where it was easier for me from Ecuador because one of the major airports went right to Miami. That was wheels up, wheels down in about four hours. But within the country, I still had a three hour drive to get to that airport. So it’s a full day.
The biggest benefit that these players have, Todd, is that their governments financially support them.
Now, I don’t know how many people know this: the tour is actually used as a training/practice platform for these players. All these international countries are more interested in the medals at the international events. Pan American Championships, World Championships, Pan Am Games, World Games. That is more valuable to them in the country and they use the tour, both IRT and LPRT, as training mechanisms to prepare them for those.
Todd Boss
What you just said is absolutely consistent with the conversations I’ve had with the previous commissioner, Pablo Fajre. I won’t name names, but a couple of seasons ago, we were looking at the end of the season rankings and it was going to be really close as to who won, right? And there was an international player who was prominently involved in the race, if that person did really well, they could have finished number one.
Pablo told me that, not only did that player have no idea where he stood in the rankings, but he couldn’t have cared less whether he is number one on tour, because of exactly what you just said. His country, his federation, and his priorities were in order, Winning worlds, Winning the Pan Am games, winning PARC, and then winning whatever other regional competition there was. Then if he happened to come up and take home four grand for winning a pro tour event, great. Four grand is the equivalent of like three months wages in Bolivia, which is obviously a lot. But that’s kind of an interesting mindset for people in this country to consider.
Sudsy Monchik
It’s a fact. I mean, you know, me, I played my whole career, it was all about professional titles, right? It was about that. In fact, the era of the Cliff, Sudsy, Ellis, Mannino; We didn’t do the international thing. Rocky was the only one that did it, and he openly admits he did it for the health insurance.
The US open title was less valuable to these countries than a bronze medal at one of the international events, because that’s how their government funds the team, entirely based on results at the international events.
Todd Boss
So that puts a different spin or a different color on why you see international participation in some of these tournaments. Another side note, oftentimes you’ll see a pro event, whether it’s an IRT or an LPRT event, and you’ll see like the entire Guatemala national team there suddenly, right? This weekend in Chicago, you didn’t see a single Guatemalan player there that I can remember. And it’s because their federation chooses to send the team to get practice for an upcoming international.
Sudsy Monchik
Correct, exactly how it works. So when I had the Ecuadorian Racquetball budget, we get a budget at the beginning of the year from the Olympic Committee, and then we pick and choose the events we’re going to go to to use as training platforms. That’s it, period. Yeah. So Guatemala just didn’t choose to fund this one.
Todd Boss
I’m going to ask you a different, more difficult question. If the next generation is predominantly Bolivian and Mexican, how can they flourish if there’s no pro events in Bolivia or Mexico?
Sudsy Monchik
That’s their biggest obstacle. They need to be able to get out. But here’s the thing, Todd, getting out used to be coming to the US or Canada because we were the best. They don’t have to do that now. They can go around South America, Mexico, Central America and deal with better players.
The travel and getting out is what will help them to be more well-rounded to have to deal with being uncomfortable, right? Like take Conrado. Conrado is a rock star superstar in his little country and little city in Bolivia. And like he’s in his comfort zone. But when he gets out and comes out here, it’s very different. So if they don’t have enough travel events (and I do think rumor has it there might be a planned international professional event or not. I don’t know yet, we’ll wait and see. Hopefully the IRT is making that happen), they still will do that internally. So they’ll pick and choose where to go, when to go and how to go.
But still, yeah, I think it’d be great if there were more events. I think it’d be great for the IRT, for the LPRT and they’re working behind the scenes to do that. But who it really hurts is our players, our next generation of players here in the States.
Todd Boss
We talked about our new generation. There were four good examples playing in Chicago. That was Cole Sendry, DJ Mendoza, who were both on the 18U national championship team that played in the last worlds. Plus you had U21 champ, reigning champ, Benjamin Horner. And we also had a lesser known player who played in 18Us in high schools this year, Juan Herrera Jr.
No, they’re not the only top juniors that get out and about. There’s other names out there, especially in the NorCal area where you have like Prasad and Chauhan and players like that who are winning junior national titles, but almost never travel.
But, What is their impact? We’re not talking about those American players right now as pushing for top 10 spots. We’re talking about Trujillo, who’s ranked in the top 10. We’re talking about Gastelum and Miranda, who show up and get wins. And then there’s the kid we’re going talk about in a moment, Jonathan Flores, who looks like he might be the next big thing. What’s going on with U.S. juniors here?
Sudsy Monchik
Yeah, we’re well behind and I think it started years ago and Todd, I mean, you followed my career, and of course Kane’s results speak for themselves. When you go to international junior tournaments, you have to win gold medals.
Are USA juniors winning gold medals and championships and matches? No they’re not. I think we’re a little bit too much of, “Oh, you’re doing great.” Like kind of mediocrity and like, that’s acceptable. But who’s winning? That’s what I want to see. Who are the gold medalists? Those are the next best players, and those are the players doing everything in their power to be the best they can be or the next best player in the world.
It goes back to, well, what’s their motivation? USA isn’t funding them, right? What if the U S Olympic committee said, “Hey, Cole and DJ, if you guys go win a gold medal at the junior worlds, we’re going to pay you a couple of thousand a month and give you health insurance” for being on team USA, maybe they would be more inclined or have the ability, the resources to do everything in their power to wake up every day with that goal in mind.
Or, maybe they’re doing that anyway and we just have a talent gap right now. Because of the years of these other countries doing it, right?
Todd Boss
Yeah. A hundred percent agree.
All right, one more player I want to talk about is Jonathan Flores, Bolivian, two-time 18U Junior world defending champion. I’m just going to read you a couple, some of his recent exploits. He’s now played a handful of pro events. I’m going to start a year ago in Minneapolis.
– In March of 2024, he flies in, and he plays the Hall of Fame event in Minnesota, loses in 32s to Jake Bredenbeck.
– Two weeks later he enters the Lombard event, beats Jake 5,7, turns around and beats Robbie Collins and then in the 16s takes a game off of Kane before he loses 11-7 in the tiebreaker
We don’t see him again in the states, and he wins Junior Worlds 18U without too much trouble.
He shows back up here a couple weeks ago in Minnesota.
– He beats Javier Mar,
– Then he loses 11-10 to Andree Parrilla in the 16s
– A week later he’s in Chicago he beats Diego Gastelum easily
– then in the 16s he trashes the number four seed Alan Natera 9,6
– He faces Andree Parrilla, beats him 15-4 in the first game and then had the match on his racket and loses another 11-10.
The Parrilla match we just saw was a match that, as I wrote and I think that you believe, he really should won to put himself in the semis.
So, what do you make of Jonathan Flores?
Sudsy Monchik
How old is he?
Todd Boss
He’s just finished his 18 year season so he’s playing in his age 19 year.
Sudsy Monchik
Yeah, so one other time in the history of my career, did I ever look at a player and say, that’s different. And that was about Kane Waselenchuk. It was when Kane was 18 or 9 in Chicago. And Cliff said, “hey, take a look at this kid, what do you see?”
I watched about five points of Kane. And I said, “that’s different. He reminds me of us.” That was my exact quote, Todd. And I’ve never said that about any player in the history of the sport, except Kane.
Today, Flores, from what I see with my eye and experience right now, after a healthy Kane and a healthy Conrrado, is the most talented, best all-around player in the sport, period. Now, does that mean he’s the third ranked player in the world? No. I think that all things being equal, weapons, tools, ability, he’s got it. What I don’t know, does he have a dog in him? Is he a fighter? Is he tenacious? Does he have balls? As far as skill, ability, talent, he’s on a different level. Let’s not forget Daniel, too right? But Daniel just isn’t playing right now.
Once he learns how to play, how to win and close those matches out, He’s the most talented player in the world after the first two guys. I just said, I just don’t know if his DNA is made up to now go put it all together.
Todd Boss
I agree. And, then going back, of course, to the first part of this conversation, he lives in Bolivia. So he’s facing a day long flight every time just to get up here, you know, those flights are not cheap. And is he going to have the same kind of priorities as Moscoso?
Is it more important for Flores to win Pan American Racquetball Championship versus come up here every time there’s a pro event and try to win? I guess it remains to be seen, but what I worry about is exactly what I worry about with all these all these Bolivians. I’ll throw the likes of Garcia and Miranda in there as well, even though they are now represent Argentina.
Sudsy Monchik
Can I represent Poland? I’m going to go represent Poland, playing a tournament. I’m Polish. Filipino too.
Todd Boss
I mean, who was it that Woody Clouse represented in one year? A small country in Africa. Eritrea?
Sudsy Monchik
You’re a better speller and much smarter than me, you tell me.
Todd Boss
Yeah, well anyway, so that’s what I wanted to talk about today. Sudsy, any parting words before you crash your car?
Sudsy Monchik
I think there’s a ton of great talent and players out there. Hopefully, the IRT keeps doing what they need to do. To really showcase these players, you know, and see truly who is or who will be the next best player in the world, because until Kane Waselenchuk hangs up his sneakers, it’s still not close.
So I would love to see what’s next. And I would tell a lot of these young guys that, you know, if that’s what they want, they need to do everything in their power to make sure that they can reach that goal and I know these countries support them. If that’s training and coaching and getting out and playing, do that.
But again, Todd, you and I both know, we don’t know what what they’re made of. It’s easy to “hit a ball, get a ball, see ball,” but like, what are you made of when the dust settles and you know you got to go to a dark place to try to get to that finish line? I’m telling you when I saw Flores, I was watching, you know, one of the top three players in the world in the moment, and he didn’t even win that match so whatever that tells you.
Todd Boss
Sounds good. All right, thanks, Sudsy. Drive safe.
Sudsy Monchik
Thanks, bud.